In a recent interview with Chris Van Vliet as part of the INSIGHT With Chris Van Vliet podcast, NWA Worlds Heavyweight Champion EC3 discussed several topics, including his rivalry in WWE with Jon Moxley (fka Dean Ambrose in WWE), how that led to his WWE push coming to an end and much more.

“I didn’t have any momentum, I think it was a weird sport, because Dean had been on top, The Shield, awesome, loved and adored, whether they’re protagonists or antagonists, they’re ingrained in the culture. Also, at the same time, he’s publicly announcing I’m bucking the system, I’m out of her, I love the dude, but when you have the freedom, it doesn’t matter what I do, like he did that promo and it was great, because he’s just feeling it, usually when you don’t give a s***, sometimes it’s when your work is the best.

Every time I’m going to speak, I get cut off, so does that kill the momentum, a bit unless we delivered something in the back end, so the match, we had a decent little match, it’s a TV match and I think I won with like a roll-up, as opposed to I don’t know, should I have just beat the dog s*** out of him or what would have made me keep the momentum, but then the momentum was killed the next week anyway, so it didn’t matter.

I think partly the reason that the push was killed is because we were working the live events together, so Dean and I, we would have these really good live event matches, 8 minutes, like third on the card, they’re solid little things, right place, right time, he’s the antagonist, I’m the protagonist, but he’s getting cheered and I’m getting booed, so in the middle of that match, I’m like this is exactly where I want to be, if I can garner the sort of push of I’m a babyface, but people generally don’t like me, that’s Roman, Cena level, I can get to that, that’s where I need to be, because I’m a s*** babyface. We’re working these matches and I’m working babyface and my comebacks are getting booed, he’s getting cheered and like, I’d slip over and slip over and slip over.

On the last night, because we’re really good professional wrestlers and tired of always doing the same thing, we’re in the middle of the match and they’re really anti-me, and they’re really for him, I think he has me in a hold and he’s like, you want to switch it up, well yeah, so in the middle of the match, I take over and now I’m playing kid of the bad guy and I’m you know, beating the s*** out of him, and now he’s fired up and he’s making a comeback, and the same finish, whatever, but we went about it a different way.

Apparently, that go back to the office, to Vince perhaps, I don’t know for sure, but when you buck the system, you’re spitting in his face sometimes, it’s like a power play, so the next day on TV, momentum is cut and then, it’s just nothing after that.”

The full interview is available at this link.